Ahhh, Fox news is sounding the alarm. Makes me wonder if it will really be that confusing at the pump, or is this hype just for ratings and for political agendas?
Ethyl Alcohol has a lower amount of energy per volume compared to gasoline. Hence - you need more alcohol to achieve the same air-fuel ratio that you would have versus straight gasoline or the moderately less energy dense 10% Ethyl Alcohol blends.
What this means is that on E-15 you run your vehicle lean - which produces excess heat and will burn up your valves and rings, destroying the engine. E-15 will also burn up (by running lean) your chainsaw, weedeater, lawnmower, or any other small gasoline engine powered toys.
The danger is real - and you make fun of it at your own risk!
IF it's not designed to be run on E-15 - DON'T DO IT! Things that can run on E-15 have larger jets, or are computer controlled to inject more fuel to maintain the correct air/fuel ratio.
You will notice in any computer controlled vehicle that you will get better gas mileage with straight gas than an Ethyl Alcohol blend. You might notice up North that they sell straight premium gasoline - at a premium cost - but that won't damage your engines designed to run on straight gas. I find straight premium gas in the Eau Claire area.
IF you have a chainsaw - go ask your dealer - the warranty will be void if you run E-15 - and they will check! The type of damage - valves and pistons/rings is quite distinct.
Last fall EPA approved for national sale gasoline containing up to 15 percent ethanol, which up until now had been limited to 10 percent ethanol, or E-10. E15 has 50 percent more alcohol than E10, and E10 has been devastating throughout the outboard marine industry since it hit the market place, making the outlook for E15 very ominous indeed.
On almost every level ethanol-added gasoline has been devastating for marine use. Ethanol is a solvent, according to outboard engine mechanics, and it dissolves seals, gaskets, hoses and even fiberglass boat fuel tanks. It scours gunk from fuel tank walls and it all ends up clogging fuel lines, carburetors and fuel injectors, which results in poor engine performance, stalling, loss of power, and eventually big bucks spent at a repair shop.
Although all major manufacturers of outboard motors reports their engines run just fine on E10 fuel (E15 support is doubtful, and, in fact, may void warrantees), spokespersons for those same companies know that in the real world of fishing and boating, ethanol-added fuel has been a disaster.
Here’s why ethanol contributes to boat fuel system problems, according to a marine retail bulletin:
Ethanol is hygroscopic, meaning it has a strong attraction to moisture. Ethanol increases the amount of water accumulating in fuel tanks. Ethanol produces less energy (BTUs) than an equivalent unit of gasoline. Ethanol fuel’s usable life span may be less than the normal length of off-season boat storage.
- See more at: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/06/25/fishermen-beware-ethanol-fuel-deadly-outboard-motors/#sthash.GiL4KSB0.dpuf
Are higher ethanol blends really that harmful to outdoor power equipment? Yes. You might be tempted to use a higher ethanol blended fuel since it may be less expensive. However, greater than 10 percent ethanol in outdoor power equipment can corrode metals and rubber and cause engines to break down more quickly. Most outdoor power equipment was not built, designed or warranted to run on fuel greater than E10, and using higher ethanol blends can damage or destroy it. In fact, using any fuel that contains more than 10 percent ethanol is illegal to use in outdoor power equipment. Also, the higher the ethanol blend, the lower the fuel economy. Ethanol contains 33 percent less energy per gallon than gasoline, so engines fueled with higher ethanol blended gas will attain fewer miles per gallon than those running on conventional gasoline (E10). This means you must fill your gas tank more frequently when using higher ethanol blended fuel.
Also for the record, my experience of 30 plus years of failure mode analysis give me unique insight into this issue. Ethanol is a financial disaster to the general public and has put many peoples lives in additional danger. A payoff to the politically connected is what ethanol is..
Like I said earlier. If I already know I can't use E85 In any of my vehicles, I certainly know I'm not going to use E15. I also use premium In my lawn equipment etc. even though I rarely use them. Cars are and have been marked for quite awhile inside the gas filler area that tells you It's ok to use E85. Some people (as always) put E85 In their vehicle regardless, and claim no problems, but I wouldn't want to buy It.
the one that gets me is, the gasoline industry says it has to make UNLEAD gas. LEAD is an additive, they don't take it out, but they charge more for it.
originally lead was add as a lubricant for the valves and cylinders in your engine.
When I was in the landscape industry, there were concerns about the reformulated gas (RFG) sold in this area and its effect upon small engines. I put into my machines precisely what the mfg. called for. In the two strokes, I added the highest quality oil in the correct proportions. At the time, Echo was claiming that their oil mixed with gas at 50:1 would work in any small engines rated for that or 32:1 or even 16:1. I had a hedge trimmer that ran at 40:1. They all got their separate mixes and at the octane the manufacturers specified.
I already run premium in my truck because otherwise it sounds like a sewing machine. Lots of carbon build up in 180,000 miles.
Thanks for the video, SER. I'll stay away from this stuff if they bring it here.
*WOW* My mistake again! So now we have E-10, E-15 and E-85!
HEY - this will be great for scrappers and manufacturers - as people not in the know - or those who don't notice the sign - destroy their engines and discover that the repair bill may not be worth the cost - so the vehicle/toy gets scraped and a new one bought in it's place.
Brillant thinking for a consumer based planned obsolesce society.
Ahhh, Fox news is sounding the alarm. Makes me wonder if it will really be that confusing at the pump, or is this hype just for ratings and for political agendas?
ReplyDeleteEthyl Alcohol has a lower amount of energy per volume compared to gasoline. Hence - you need more alcohol to achieve the same air-fuel ratio that you would have versus straight gasoline or the moderately less energy dense 10% Ethyl Alcohol blends.
ReplyDeleteWhat this means is that on E-15 you run your vehicle lean - which produces excess heat and will burn up your valves and rings, destroying the engine. E-15 will also burn up (by running lean) your chainsaw, weedeater, lawnmower, or any other small gasoline engine powered toys.
The danger is real - and you make fun of it at your own risk!
IF it's not designed to be run on E-15 - DON'T DO IT! Things that can run on E-15 have larger jets, or are computer controlled to inject more fuel to maintain the correct air/fuel ratio.
You will notice in any computer controlled vehicle that you will get better gas mileage with straight gas than an Ethyl Alcohol blend. You might notice up North that they sell straight premium gasoline - at a premium cost - but that won't damage your engines designed to run on straight gas. I find straight premium gas in the Eau Claire area.
IF you have a chainsaw - go ask your dealer - the warranty will be void if you run E-15 - and they will check! The type of damage - valves and pistons/rings is quite distinct.
Last fall EPA approved for national sale gasoline containing up to 15 percent ethanol, which up until now had been limited to 10 percent ethanol, or E-10. E15 has 50 percent more alcohol than E10, and E10 has been devastating throughout the outboard marine industry since it hit the market place, making the outlook for E15 very ominous indeed.
ReplyDeleteOn almost every level ethanol-added gasoline has been devastating for marine use. Ethanol is a solvent, according to outboard engine mechanics, and it dissolves seals, gaskets, hoses and even fiberglass boat fuel tanks. It scours gunk from fuel tank walls and it all ends up clogging fuel lines, carburetors and fuel injectors, which results in poor engine performance, stalling, loss of power, and eventually big bucks spent at a repair shop.
Although all major manufacturers of outboard motors reports their engines run just fine on E10 fuel (E15 support is doubtful, and, in fact, may void warrantees), spokespersons for those same companies know that in the real world of fishing and boating, ethanol-added fuel has been a disaster.
Here’s why ethanol contributes to boat fuel system problems, according to a marine retail bulletin:
Ethanol is hygroscopic, meaning it has a strong attraction to moisture.
Ethanol increases the amount of water accumulating in fuel tanks.
Ethanol produces less energy (BTUs) than an equivalent unit of gasoline.
Ethanol fuel’s usable life span may be less than the normal length of off-season boat storage.
- See more at: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/06/25/fishermen-beware-ethanol-fuel-deadly-outboard-motors/#sthash.GiL4KSB0.dpuf
Are higher ethanol blends really that harmful to outdoor power equipment? Yes. You might be tempted to use a higher ethanol blended fuel since it may be less expensive. However, greater than 10 percent ethanol in outdoor power equipment can corrode metals and rubber and cause engines to break down more quickly. Most outdoor power equipment was not built, designed or warranted to run on fuel greater than E10, and using higher ethanol blends can damage or destroy it. In fact, using any fuel that contains more than 10 percent ethanol is illegal to use in outdoor power equipment. Also, the higher the ethanol blend, the lower the fuel economy. Ethanol contains 33 percent less energy per gallon than gasoline, so engines fueled with higher ethanol blended gas will attain fewer miles per gallon than those running on conventional gasoline (E10). This means you must fill your gas tank more frequently when using higher ethanol blended fuel.
ReplyDeletehttp://filluponfacts.com/the-acute-effects-of-higher-ethanol-on-outdoor-power-equipment/
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ReplyDeleteIf the government is involved, it will be FUCKED UP!
Also for the record, all the news channels are trolling and baiting for viewers to get ratings.
Also for the record, my experience of 30 plus years of failure mode analysis give me unique insight into this issue. Ethanol is a financial disaster to the general public and has put many peoples lives in additional danger.
ReplyDeleteA payoff to the politically connected is what ethanol is..
Like I said earlier. If I already know I can't use E85 In any of my vehicles, I certainly know I'm not going to use E15. I also use premium In my lawn equipment etc. even though I rarely use them. Cars are and have been marked for quite awhile inside the gas filler area that tells you It's ok to use E85. Some people (as always) put E85 In their vehicle regardless, and claim no problems, but I wouldn't want to buy It.
ReplyDeleteLOL. It is E-85 - which is 15% ethyl alcohol.
ReplyDeleteMost gas has 10% or less.
My mistake. LOL.
e 85 is 85 % ethanol 15% gas
ReplyDeletethe one that gets me is, the gasoline industry says it has to make UNLEAD gas. LEAD is an additive, they don't take it out, but they charge more for it.
ReplyDeleteoriginally lead was add as a lubricant for the valves and cylinders in your engine.
Thanks SER. To be truthful when I saw it was Fox doing it I knew I had to investigate as I don't believe most of what they have to say.
ReplyDeleteI did read what USA Today had and Honda has commented that they won't honor warranties because of this fuel. That is all I need to know.
Again, thanks for posting SER.
When I was in the landscape industry, there were concerns about the reformulated gas (RFG) sold in this area and its effect upon small engines. I put into my machines precisely what the mfg. called for. In the two strokes, I added the highest quality oil in the correct proportions. At the time, Echo was claiming that their oil mixed with gas at 50:1 would work in any small engines rated for that or 32:1 or even 16:1. I had a hedge trimmer that ran at 40:1. They all got their separate mixes and at the octane the manufacturers specified.
ReplyDeleteI already run premium in my truck because otherwise it sounds like a sewing machine. Lots of carbon build up in 180,000 miles.
Thanks for the video, SER. I'll stay away from this stuff if they bring it here.
*WOW* My mistake again! So now we have E-10, E-15 and E-85!
ReplyDeleteHEY - this will be great for scrappers and manufacturers - as people not in the know - or those who don't notice the sign - destroy their engines and discover that the repair bill may not be worth the cost - so the vehicle/toy gets scraped and a new one bought in it's place.
Brillant thinking for a consumer based planned obsolesce society.
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